A vey important talk by Hazrat Sheikh Syed Haji Maulana Manzoor Hussain Sindhi Madani Sahib RT. on Why Tareeqat is Necessary, in which he shares how he explained this in detail to the future Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan and future Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board Mr Justice Dr Syed Muhammad Nasim Hassan Shah, after the Judge sought a meeting with Hazrat sahib after learning that hundreds of people had entered Tareeqat and became Hazrat sahib’s disciples, many of whom were vehemently and actively opposed to the very concept of Tareeqat, but became convinced after meeting and hearing the history and explanation of Tareeqat from Hazrat sahib.
Famous and prominent people including Parliamentarians, Government Ministers and Army Generals.
Hazrat sahib, in his usual extreme humbleness, asked the Judge “why” he had come to Hazrat sahib to learn about Tareeqat and said to him at the beginning of the meeting;
“Dear Sir, I am not an Alim (religious scholar) or Pir (spiritual teacher)”…
And by the end of the meeting, the future Chief Justice said to Hazrat sahib;
“Enter me in Tareeqa JUST NOW, before you complete your talk, enter me in Tareeqa”…
(This is a rare recording that was recently discovered on an old audio cassette from the 1980s. It has been remastered and restored to an extent but it is still advisable to use headphones to listen to it).
The following is a transcript of the talk:
(May Allah forgive the transcribers if there may be any mistakes in the transcription. Ameen).
Why is Tareeqat necessary-a talk by Hazrat Manzoor Hussain Sindhi Madani RT
“…Had came only for my treatment. I being sick for long time, I had come for this.
One day, I was informed that Justice Mohammad Nasim, Judge of High Court in Lahore has come here and wanted to see me. And he said that he has some important work with me and wanted to talk to me about that. And those people had told him that he should come in the morning and he, or if he wanted, I might have, would have gone to him, and seen him in his place. But he very kindly, as he had said and desired, he came there in the morning, and after saying usual Salaam, said that he has come from far off, from Karachi, from Lahore, to ask some particular questions from me and to understand them. I told him, I told him ‘dear sir, I am not a Aalim or Pir, but because you have come from a long distance and you want to ask ME particularly some questions, and as I have known from these people that you want to ask me about the Tareeqat, I would have no objection in telling you a few little things if I know.
He was very great that he had the reply and said ‘I learnt in Lahore not from one, two or three, but so many people, that people have entered the Tareeqa at your hands. Not one or two but in hundreds. And they were not ordinary people, but they were people who had objection upon Tareeqat and who did not like to even hear name of people who called themselves Naqshbandi or Qadri or Chishti or Sohrwardi, because there are different people. There are so many people who like the Tareeqat. But those people, fortunately or unfortunately, one of the time, that they did not like to hear even name of Sheikh, Tareeqat.
And then he said that to my great surprise, that after they came to you, I learnt that they have, after discussion, entered the Tareeqa, and they are abiding by the Tareeqa, and they are coming to you regularly from many a miles along with their families, and attending the halqa of zikr without fail, and then he began to name of those people, that amongst them were four people of the Parliament, MNAs, and two three ministers of Pakistan and apart from them, in army of Pakistan, Captains, Majors, Generals, Brigadiers, and some of the Generals, two Generals, he said, and he named them, and it was a fact. Everybody knew, it was a fact. He said such and such man, they came to you and they have entered the Tareeqa. I said yes, it is so. It is so. What YOU want to ask by this? What you have come to ask? He said I have come to ask that this Tareeqat, whatever it may be, may he be a Naqshbandi or Qadri, Chisti, Sohrwardi, this and that, is it farz or wajib that one should enter Tareeqa? And a mussalman, a Muslim who offers his prayers, who keeps his fasts, who goes for Hajj, pays zakaat, all these things he does, even then it is necessary that he should enter the Tareeqa, or he would go to Jahannam, he’d go to “Naar”? I have come to ask this and another thing.
I told him, dear brother, entering the Tareeqa is neither farz nor wajib. Is neither farz nor wajib. Because you know that for farz, there’s, it is necessary there should be lafs of Al Quran, and it should be of this kind, and for wajib these are the sharayt, these are the conditions and for Tareeqat there is none of this. But I would tell you that entering the Tareeqa is necessary and very necessary, and in other words, I would not say that it is wajib or farz but it is equally important. And before I give you proof of this, before I tell you and I assure you that you being Justice, Judge of High Court, you shall not have a word to say. You may enter the Tareeqa or not, that is another thing. But, in the discussion you shall not have to say and you cannot say even a word, and all this little knowledge that you have got about your English book, it would not suffice for this.
I told him that before coming to this point, I would ask you a question which even not learned people, even illiterate people can answer that. I’ll ask you whether Syedna Abi Bakr Siddique, Syedna Umer Farooq, Syedna Usman, Syedna Ali, were they educated or not? Had they any knowledge or not? For whom the Prophet has said ‘ana madinatul Ilm wa Aliun baabahaa’. And for Syedna Abi Bakr Siddique Razi Allah Ta’alah anho, Nabi Sallallaho-alaihe-wassallam says that ‘maa sabalnaha fi sadri, illah sabaqtahu fi sadr Abi Bakrin’, ‘God does not put in my heart, but I put it in breast and heart of Abi Bakr’. Would you please tell me whether these people were learned or not? they have any knowledge or not? And then kindly would you tell me whether these people entered the Tareeqa or not?
I said you go and ask anybody in Islamabad who says that I am in Tareeqa; you take their Shajrah and see. You’d find that he has taken Tareeqa from his Sheikh, and his Sheikh has taken Tareeqa from his Sheikh, and right up to Syedna Abu Bakr Siddique or Syedna Ali-al-Murtaza or Syeda Fatima-tu-Zahra Salaam-ullah-alaiha, who, whom the Prophet has himself taught this Tareeqa. And all these Tareeqas reach to the Prophet Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassalam. Those people who raise objection, they have got no knowledge. They have heard, they have heard the lectures of people and have believed upon them. They have got no knowledge. If they had known, they would have seen, that in reality every Tareeqa goes to the Prophet and through these people. Through these people.
I told him, dear sir, but your question was something little different from this, so therefore I will now give you reply for your question. I told you that entering Tareeqa is not farz or wajib. But it is necessary. And what for is it necessary? It is necessary for the perfection of Shariat. For perfection of Shariat it is necessary. How it is necessary for the perfection of Shariat? I told him that you know, that, ask anybody that “what is the, what is the position of the Salaat in Islam?” Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam says “as salaat imaad ud deen.” This prayer is like a pillar of ad deen, of religion. Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam says this prayer, “as salaat mairaj ul momineen.” This salaat is like Mairaaj for my ummat.
I told him, truthfully you may not have been able to understand what I mean to say by this. By Mairaaj, can you understand what Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam means by this? Seeing of Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala. Seeing of Allah Subhanahu Ta’alah, in this world, with eyes is not possible. And why not, not possible? Therefore the reply was given to Syedna Musa alaihe-salaam when ????????? he says ‘???????? Lan Tarani’. Followed? Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala, to show, to show the status of His beloved Prophet, called Syedna Rasool Allah Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam upon Arsh and Fawk Al Arsh, Fawk Al Arsh. Though it is question of difference. Some Ulemas have gone on this side, others have gone on the other side. But the Mashaikh and Jaleel ul Qadar Sahaaba Razi Allah taalah anhum, have all gone to this that Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam saw the, saw Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala, with Basaarat and not Baseerat. Baseerat was possible even in this world, even in this world, and which was for seeing Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala with Basaarat Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam was sent for Mairaaj and he was honored of seeing that.
But I told him that we are not going to discuss this. We have to only to discuss the things which you have asked. Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam was given these five salaat, five prayers, at the time when he went on Mairaaj. On Mairaaj. And from, because Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam loved his ummat, the very greatest thing that one cannot understand was that Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam, when came back, told his ummat that I have brought for you the gift from Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala, and it is not an ordinary gift, but it is such a great gift that what I had to see there you will be able to see here, though not in Basaarat but in Baseerat, Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala. ‘As salaat tu mairaaj ul mumineen’, that means that in salaat you can have tajalli of Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala. You can have mushaahida of Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala.
But, dear sir, I told him, I would ask you one thing. That have you ever heard that Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam told lie? Even, even his enemies, when they were asked, they said that Nabi Sallallah- o-alaihe-wassallam throughout his life has never told lie. Saadiqul Wa’dul Amin. And as Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam says that ‘As salaat tu mairaj ul mumineen’. And I’ll ask you that when you and I offer prayers, do we, after making niyat go to bazaar and forget the thing? What means, while sitting in your chair make the decisions, those decisions also when you go and offer prayers, at that time you remember. And you, in your thoughts you begin to write the reply.
Apart from this, I told him you know Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala has said in His Holy Quran ‘inna salaat tanhaa anil fahshaa e wal munkar’. You should know that this salaat, this prayer, keeps away all bad things from you, ‘fahshaa e wal munkar’. Followed? And we see that we offer prayers. We make all those things which are forbidden by tradition. We make all those things that are forbidden by religion. As these prisons which are full of hundreds and thousands of Muslims. They are all Muslims. They have been offering prayers. But can you say that a Muslim cannot make zina? A Muslim does not speak lie if He does not speak the truth? He does not abuse? Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala says ‘inna salaat tanhaa anil fahshaa e wal munkar’, ‘inna salaat’. That is without any doubt, has Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala spoken lie? It can never be. Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala is also right in what He has said, and our Prophet Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam is right in what he says. But this means that perhaps we do not offer prayers as we are ordered to. Prayer, which is perfect in itself. Prayer, which would bring all these results. That prayer perhaps we do not offer. If we were to offer that kind of prayer, surely, it would have taken us away from these bad things, and also it would have been source of Mairaaj for us. And what is the defect that lies therein and which we have not completed, and then “if there’s any defect” they say “Thao (then) why it is our Prophet Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam did not inform us?” Why did he not say that? Our Prophet Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam has said, has informed us, but we have not followed it.
Our Prophet Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam says, you know, I told him, in Quran Sharif it is given that every act, every deed of Shariat that we do, sincerity, the meaning of which is “ikhlaas”, sincerity is necessary. Without sincerity no deed is accepted in the court of Allah Subhanahu Ta’aala. We have been ordered to do the deeds with sincerity, with ikhlaas. But wherefrom we bring ikhlaas? Can it be sold in shops? Can we bring ikhlaas by some five rupees? Our Prophet Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam has taught us the way, has showed us the way. Has told us, it is in Bukhari shareef in fourth Juz ‘Alaa inna fil jasad mudghatan’, ‘you should know that in the body of a man there’s a piece of meat’. ‘Izaa salhat salhat jasadu qulluhu’, ‘if it is purified, if it is refined, then the whole body would be refined’. ‘Wa izaa fasadat fasadat jasadu qulluhu‘, ‘and when it is impurified, the whole body will be impurified’. ‘Alaa wa hi yal qalb‘, ‘you should know that it is your heart’. Our Prophet Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam has told us that the purification of heart is a thing upon which all the good things depend. Upon which refinement of the whole heart depends. And how can it be purified? How can it be purified? Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam, once called Sahaaba ikraam Razi-Allah-Ta’alah anhum and told them that ‘Al-qalb yasdaw zay yasda ul hadeed’. ‘This heart becomes rusted, just as iron is rusted’. Iron is rusted. And Sahaaba ikraam said ‘ma jila ha Ya Rasoolullah?’ ‘How can it be purified?’ Nabi Sallallah-o-alaihe-wassallam said by remembering the death, by reciting the Holy Book, by reciting Asmaa Illahi, that means by zikr. Zikr means remembrance.
You should know, meaning of “zikr” is remembrance. You may think about the death, that is also “zikr”. You may recite Holy Quran, you may recite Durood shareef, you may recite Asma Illahi, this is all “zikr”. Nabi Salalahu Alayhi wa Salam has said that “it can be purified by zikr”. I told him, dear sir, apart from this, Allah Subhana Hu Ta’aala says in His Holy Book, “Yaum a la yunfau maaluw wala banoon, illa man attallaha bi qalbin saleem”, the day of resurrection would be such, that neither your wealth, nor your children for whom you have gathered that wealth, would benefit you. “Yaum la yunfau maaluw wala banoon, illa man attallaha bi qalbin saleem”, but only, one who can bring before me purified heart, he shall have salvation. Follow? Salvation. So Allah Subhana Hu Ta’aala also, points out the importance of the heart. But let us see, just as our Prophet Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam told us the prescription for this, for purification. Just as doctor says you that have got such and such disease, and then he writes prescription for this. Our Prophet Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam is the same. He said about the disease, and then gave us a prescription. That with zikr it would be purified. And Allah Subhana Hu Ta’aala, also the same way, says in Holy Quran at some other place, “Alaa bi zikr Illah he Tatma Inul Quloob”. ……..other way than this. This is the only way. “Alaa bi zikr Illah” it is with this, by zikr, that heart can be purified. So, I told him, that, “for the purification of heart, zikr is necessary. Zikr is necessary. And, when heart is purified, ikhlaas, sincerity, would be produced therein. Because, these, our heart is sick. It can be, it can get it’s salvation, or refinement, or purification by zikr. So when we make zikr, ikhlaas would be produced in the heart. And that ikhlaas is necessary for everything. And when that ikhlaas will come, then every work of ours, every deed of ours, every rule and regulation of shariat that we preform, would be with ikhlaas. And therefore this zikr is necessary. And, if you say that “where is the need that, for recitation of Quran Shareef, for reciting the Asma Illahi, and for these things. Where it is necessary that one should go to Sheikh?” One can recite Quran Shareef in his house. One can recite, offer prayers in his house. One can read all the wazeefas in his house. And it is right. It is right. No doubt about it. No doubt about it. But we see, we see with open eyes, that, what is the difference between the two, those people who recite the Holy Book from morning up to evening, and those people who make zikr of their own accord, from morning up to evening, and do all these things. Have you ever heard that their heart was alive, it was lighted, and those people had the honor of seeing The Prophet, not in dream, in, with, in Murakba, and with eyes. These things are not to be had, have not to be, been found, but only in people who have taken the zikr, and who have perfected the zikr, and who have reached these points. There may, there are different kinds. Saliheen. Aa, there is one category of Muslims which is called Abid, who worship. They are good people. No doubt about it. They will go to Janath. Who says they will not go to Janath? We do not say they will not go to Janath. But here is a question of perfection. Perfection. What is the perfection that you call perfection? So if this zikr, and taking of the zikr in this way, was not necessary, Nabi Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam must not have taught Sayyidna Abi Bakr Siddique, Sayyidna Umar Farooq, Sayyidna, Sayyidita Fatima Tuz Zahra Salam Ullah Alayha, Sayyidna Ali Murtaza, this way of making zikr. It is given in all books of Mashailkh, that, Nabi Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam, because he was knowing, what is going to happen tomorrow and the day after. It was Nabi Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam who told us the things up to Qayamath, up to the Day of Resurrection. And knowing, that, after 200 years, after 200 years, this thing, which had reached to the Sahaba, and Tabieen and Taba Tabieen. Because they were not making zikr just like this, that we do. They never. Anybody and everybody that came and saluted The Prophet, and said, “Ashhadu Allah illaha illallah Muhammadan Abduhu wa Rasooluhu”, the curtains of negligence were taken away and you’d reach the maqam of yaqeen, without anything else. But this was the company and the eye of The Prophet, Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam. And Nabi Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam saw, knew, that this thing cannot go on up to the end. And therefore it is given in all the books, that, category of Sahaba, Tabieen and Taba Tabieen, is different from others. Category of Sahaba, Tabieen and Taba Tabieen, is different from others. And after Taba Tabieen, when this, this loss would be realized. Once these, they would find that that nisbat which was in time of Nabi Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam, is no more, then people would be anxious to know what to do now. So The Prophet Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam had already taught them, that when they stand in need of this, you take the zikr from Ali, and Abi Bakr these people and go to the goal. Followed?
Before I could compete what I had to say, he said, “enter me in Tareeqa just now, before you complete it. Before you complete your talk, enter me in Tareeqa”.
I may take, some time and, it may not be, ambah, aah, a’aa, but, afterwards, a very little thing that I would like to tell you, that (???) again, some more examples, examples, of hundreds of Mashailkh, who have not only reached The Prophet Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam, and seen him, them with him, these eyes, but they’ll make other people do, reach that point, and see them. And I told to Sayyid Sahab, that this a fact which is established like the sun. If anybody does not believe this, let him not believe it. But it is so. But it is so.
Maulana Ahmad Saeed Rahmat Ullah Ta’aala Alayh, brother of Maulana Abdul Ghani, from whom Hadees has gone to all the Mashaikh in Hindustan. He was his younger brother, (???) was Maulana. He was in Madinah Shareef. When people went to Maulana Ahmad Saeed and told him that ‘is it possible that one can see the Prophet with these eyes? With these eyes?’ He said ‘this is not question of discussion. Anybody who says, he says “it is impossible”, he may come and see whether I, if I show him, he may say that “it is so”. If I cannot show him he may say that “it is not so”’. Not a question of discussion, some may say that this, in such and such book it is given this, in such and such book it is given this, through discussion would not come, be finished. He who does not believe in this may come and see, whether it is right or wrong.
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